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J Altazar's avatar

The ability to get you to believe in it and still not see it right in front of your 👀 is wild.

Wild. WILD. Deep state is in full force taking Everything. Every. Last. Resource. Bye bye. His hair wraps around his bronze blush twice over! Imagine at night time. Wild

Mike Rube's avatar

The issue of a potentially terminal pragmatism, of being so invested in dominance as an existential necessity, depends on the non-existence of an overarching authority. The US regards its hegemony as sacred as a result. What if there was an overarching authority? An authority that was stronger than the US, China, or Russia. Stronger militarily, financially, economically. Perhaps a kind of United Nations organization. But with serious teeth.

Mike Rube's avatar

There is a built in inevitably to a global multinational, non-imperial, system, that intrinsically favors stable, non-abusive, governance. That prefers people be fed, housed, and given free healthcare. Not to be nice. A multilateral world economically requires social stability to successfully function. It will naturally encourage that state. Other nations in physical proximity will push for that through coalitions, trade agreements, mutual aid. Removing the overlay of a colonial fascist state will be an act of liberation for many countries. It will redefine the importance of small countries working together to accomplish common goals unique to their region, to their language, to their cultures.

Fritz DeKatt's avatar

An international organization that is stronger than the US and Russia and China is probably the worst thing that can happen to an already dysfunctional world. What you really need is a mechanism that weakens the central governments of every industrial nation by a factor of fifty; say the post World War I timeframe, along with an eradication of the information gathering apparatus built by Palantir, Oracle, Microsoft, Open AI and Musk.

We will inevitably reach that goal after the next world war, but in the meantime we should do everything we can to minimize the efficiency of every government still functioning. You may think they're inefficient already, but the tech bros are artificially making them work more like a private industry in some limited areas. That has to end.

Unless you're one of the eight non-investors on earth who are in love with the idea of Flock cameras in your living room and the police department of Thumbscrew Arkansas emailing you traffic tickets from last year's vacation.

Jordan Lee Canter's avatar

Like NATO? God? What would make such an organization so powerful? Violence? Imprisonment? Sanctions? How would they not be vulnerable to the intelligence agencies of one of the powerful countries? If something like that existed to keep the crazies at the helm of the ship from over-expanding that would be great, but who on planet earth is so powerful and invulnerable to stop them? Aliens?

Jordan Lee Canter's avatar

Right! I can’t see the world as cynical as Mearsheimer. And his take on china is fucking terrifying. My feeling, the way there is bipartisan support against china everywhere from the media to congress it feels like the war drums against Iraq in 2002. I have to hope things are more the way Jeffrey says they are, then again, like you said, he’s part of the council on foreign relations, the “take over the world” “dr evil committee”. Whether nefarious or not, i am grateful for now being able to prove some things that many partisan actors dispute but we know to be true, such as the euro-maidan coup in ukraine in 2014. And I’m grateful for their very eloquent explanation of the deep state, maybe he’s part of the deep state, maybe his explanation is a “Limited Hangout”….we’ll see, but maybe we won’t. The world if filled with maybes is it not?

Ella's avatar

I prefer Jeffrey’s point of view, that said he is also part of the council of foreign relations and he is an economist so he does have his own agenda, which is not for the greater human good but for profit. While Mearsheimer is apparently a realist and someone who understands the hegemonic US fallacy, but he is sort of 50/50 he goes along with where we are heading but still tells us its not great and only if we are lucky we can avoid a nuclear annihilation.

It might not be the case but I have some general distrust of people who talk about the inner workings of the pentagon, covert OPs and having connections to the former soviet union without facing the CIA, if they (insert those really in charge) are not against it they probably belong to one of the many circles of serving an interest. One thing to keep in mind is the most convincing lies are often those that are based on partial truths.

Jordan Lee Canter's avatar

Maybe. I'm not aware of what he's been doing lately but he is one of the only ones telling the truth about what's going on in Ukraine and the danger were in of nuclear war if something doesn't change. The only one from that establishment side anyways, and maybe that says something about what he's been up to. He's been telling the truth and still allowed by polite society. It might mean he's not exactly ALL good.

Mike Moschos's avatar

But they themselves are neck deep in te whole thing and when you parse their words it seems their just pushing a continuation of what we have. What Sachs is doing lately looks a lot like the the same bs cycle that he's been an stage actor in several times, all the way back to Bolivia in the 1980s